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		<title>Comment on Weddings and wedding songs in the Greek novel by Dayana</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dayana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 04:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not easily impressed. . . but that&#039;s impessirng me! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not easily impressed. . . but that&#8217;s impessirng me! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Greek Mythology: seminar 4 by Harry Potter</title>
		<link>http://tonibadnall.com/2010/03/25/greek-mythology-seminar-4/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Potter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 09:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A great discussion on the conception of &#039;Hero&#039;. This blog contains lots of informative posts on Greek Myth. Keep it up !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great discussion on the conception of &#8216;Hero&#8217;. This blog contains lots of informative posts on Greek Myth. Keep it up !</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many thanks Toni. If we end up using any of these images I&#039;ll let you know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks Toni. If we end up using any of these images I&#8217;ll let you know.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by tonibadnall</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Lee,

As long as you don&#039;t mind crediting me (or mind me referring to it), as I&#039;m trying to increase my public profile, that&#039;s fine. I came up with some ideas for you based on the categories you gave me.

Some I can help you with, some not so much, due to the constraints of the stories in ancient mythology.

1.	In Greek myth, prescience was generally a gift from the gods rather than the result of having an item. The nearest thing I can think of is the Tripod of Pythia, which the Delphic oracle sat on to deliver prophecies. Here’s an image:

http://www.nostradamus101.com/images/pic3.jpg

2.	Again, heroes tended to access new worlds (heaven/the underworld etc) on the back of their own supernatural powers. But there are certain symbolic images: Cerberus, the 3-headed dog who guards the entrance to Hades (stolen by Heracles), the apples of the Hesperides, who live at the end of the earth (also stolen by Heracles!), or the pomegranate Hades gave Persephone to keep her in the underworld:

http://www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/dictionary/Dict/image/Cerberus4.jpg

http://www.archimuse.com/mw2001/papers/kenderine/kenderdine.fig4.jpg (this is a great one, it shows Athena helping Heracles hold up the heavens while Atlas fetches the apples – from the Temple of Zeus at Olympia)

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbLOR7279JGiHDT1PwtS7V8Xk-zH4zfukFTOR83v5s7BVHJyeR (the archetypal pre-Raphaelite representation)

3.	The gates of horn and ivory, entrances to the worlds of dreams, are your best bet here:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vzpXPZFPxx4/SblTgyyBGiI/AAAAAAAAAFM/pzDm-yFI7nE/s200/Gate+of+Ivory.bmp (the only ancient image I could find, sorry)

4.	*THE* paradigmatic concept here is Ariadne’s thread, which the daughter of kind Minos of Crete gave the Athenian hero Theseus to help him find his way out of the labyrinth. It’s often symbolised by a stylised labyrinth drawing such as this one: 

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRQc9gSwVq1G76zjho8zP7udcRwxtmFHVIdsOdiebptf6JpC0Y 

‘Ariadne’s dancing-floor’ still exists in the ruins of ancient Knossos on Crete.

5.	In ancient epics, the king’s sceptre often gives the holder the right to speak in assemblies, as in Homer’s Odyssey. This is an image of Agamemnon, king of Mycenae, holding his sceptre:

http://westernhumanities101.pbworks.com/f/1285682750/AgamemnonMNATaranto.jpg
	
for storytelling, the ‘bard taking up his lyre’ is often a symbol for such things being about to 	start:

http://depthome.brooklyn.cuny.edu/classics/dunkle/athnlife/images/kithara.jpg

Hope that&#039;s useful!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lee,</p>
<p>As long as you don&#8217;t mind crediting me (or mind me referring to it), as I&#8217;m trying to increase my public profile, that&#8217;s fine. I came up with some ideas for you based on the categories you gave me.</p>
<p>Some I can help you with, some not so much, due to the constraints of the stories in ancient mythology.</p>
<p>1.	In Greek myth, prescience was generally a gift from the gods rather than the result of having an item. The nearest thing I can think of is the Tripod of Pythia, which the Delphic oracle sat on to deliver prophecies. Here’s an image:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nostradamus101.com/images/pic3.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.nostradamus101.com/images/pic3.jpg</a></p>
<p>2.	Again, heroes tended to access new worlds (heaven/the underworld etc) on the back of their own supernatural powers. But there are certain symbolic images: Cerberus, the 3-headed dog who guards the entrance to Hades (stolen by Heracles), the apples of the Hesperides, who live at the end of the earth (also stolen by Heracles!), or the pomegranate Hades gave Persephone to keep her in the underworld:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/dictionary/Dict/image/Cerberus4.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/dictionary/Dict/image/Cerberus4.jpg</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.archimuse.com/mw2001/papers/kenderine/kenderdine.fig4.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.archimuse.com/mw2001/papers/kenderine/kenderdine.fig4.jpg</a> (this is a great one, it shows Athena helping Heracles hold up the heavens while Atlas fetches the apples – from the Temple of Zeus at Olympia)</p>
<p><a href="http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbLOR7279JGiHDT1PwtS7V8Xk-zH4zfukFTOR83v5s7BVHJyeR" rel="nofollow">http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbLOR7279JGiHDT1PwtS7V8Xk-zH4zfukFTOR83v5s7BVHJyeR</a> (the archetypal pre-Raphaelite representation)</p>
<p>3.	The gates of horn and ivory, entrances to the worlds of dreams, are your best bet here:</p>
<p><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vzpXPZFPxx4/SblTgyyBGiI/AAAAAAAAAFM/pzDm-yFI7nE/s200/Gate+of+Ivory.bmp" rel="nofollow">http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vzpXPZFPxx4/SblTgyyBGiI/AAAAAAAAAFM/pzDm-yFI7nE/s200/Gate+of+Ivory.bmp</a> (the only ancient image I could find, sorry)</p>
<p>4.	*THE* paradigmatic concept here is Ariadne’s thread, which the daughter of kind Minos of Crete gave the Athenian hero Theseus to help him find his way out of the labyrinth. It’s often symbolised by a stylised labyrinth drawing such as this one: </p>
<p><a href="http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRQc9gSwVq1G76zjho8zP7udcRwxtmFHVIdsOdiebptf6JpC0Y" rel="nofollow">http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRQc9gSwVq1G76zjho8zP7udcRwxtmFHVIdsOdiebptf6JpC0Y</a> </p>
<p>‘Ariadne’s dancing-floor’ still exists in the ruins of ancient Knossos on Crete.</p>
<p>5.	In ancient epics, the king’s sceptre often gives the holder the right to speak in assemblies, as in Homer’s Odyssey. This is an image of Agamemnon, king of Mycenae, holding his sceptre:</p>
<p><a href="http://westernhumanities101.pbworks.com/f/1285682750/AgamemnonMNATaranto.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://westernhumanities101.pbworks.com/f/1285682750/AgamemnonMNATaranto.jpg</a></p>
<p>for storytelling, the ‘bard taking up his lyre’ is often a symbol for such things being about to 	start:</p>
<p><a href="http://depthome.brooklyn.cuny.edu/classics/dunkle/athnlife/images/kithara.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://depthome.brooklyn.cuny.edu/classics/dunkle/athnlife/images/kithara.jpg</a></p>
<p>Hope that&#8217;s useful!</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 21:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Toni,

My name is Lee and I&#039;m a designer at the firm Collins. We&#039;re currently trying to design a logo for a new conference on storytelling, but we&#039;re having a bit of trouble finding the inspiration we need. We want to draw our icon from the great ancient myths. Given your studies, I was hoping you could help us out. Specifically we are trying to find examples of the following: 

1. An object given to a hero to see the future.
2. An object given to a hero that allows him/her to step into a new world/realm.
3. A structure/entrance that acted as a gateway to a new world.
4. An object given to a hero to help him/her find his/her way out of the labyrinth (or a general state of confusion or blindness). 
5. An object used in storytelling ceremonies that gives the holder permission to speak to the group.

It&#039;d be a big help if you could give us some examples or maybe point us in the right direction. We&#039;re floundering a bit. :) Hope to hear form you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Toni,</p>
<p>My name is Lee and I&#8217;m a designer at the firm Collins. We&#8217;re currently trying to design a logo for a new conference on storytelling, but we&#8217;re having a bit of trouble finding the inspiration we need. We want to draw our icon from the great ancient myths. Given your studies, I was hoping you could help us out. Specifically we are trying to find examples of the following: </p>
<p>1. An object given to a hero to see the future.<br />
2. An object given to a hero that allows him/her to step into a new world/realm.<br />
3. A structure/entrance that acted as a gateway to a new world.<br />
4. An object given to a hero to help him/her find his/her way out of the labyrinth (or a general state of confusion or blindness).<br />
5. An object used in storytelling ceremonies that gives the holder permission to speak to the group.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d be a big help if you could give us some examples or maybe point us in the right direction. We&#8217;re floundering a bit. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Hope to hear form you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Greek myth 5: The Theban cycle part 2 by evan</title>
		<link>http://tonibadnall.com/2009/11/05/greek-myth-5-the-theban-cycle-part-2/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[evan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[come to my website]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>come to my website</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weddings and wedding songs in the Greek novel by tonibadnall</title>
		<link>http://tonibadnall.com/2009/03/06/weddings-and-wedding-songs-in-the-greek-novel/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tonibadnall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 10:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Cecilia,
Good to hear from you! I&#039;d be really interested to read your article, as in many ways my chapter on the novel has been the hardest to write - the authors seem to be doing some very sophisticated manipulation with the *concept* of hymenaios and the social conventions inherent in the genre. That&#039;s all I&#039;ve done on the novel as yet, but there is my thesis on the epithalamium which I am currently preparing as a book, and I have published some stuff on Plutarch&#039;s use of the imagery of wedding songs (which is linked from my &#039;publications&#039; page on this blog). Feel free to drop me an email (toni.badnall@nottingham.ac.uk) if you want to discuss it further - there are a number of us in the UK and US interested in this topic, so maybe we can get some kind of discourse going...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cecilia,<br />
Good to hear from you! I&#8217;d be really interested to read your article, as in many ways my chapter on the novel has been the hardest to write &#8211; the authors seem to be doing some very sophisticated manipulation with the *concept* of hymenaios and the social conventions inherent in the genre. That&#8217;s all I&#8217;ve done on the novel as yet, but there is my thesis on the epithalamium which I am currently preparing as a book, and I have published some stuff on Plutarch&#8217;s use of the imagery of wedding songs (which is linked from my &#8216;publications&#8217; page on this blog). Feel free to drop me an email (toni.badnall@nottingham.ac.uk) if you want to discuss it further &#8211; there are a number of us in the UK and US interested in this topic, so maybe we can get some kind of discourse going&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weddings and wedding songs in the Greek novel by Cecilia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cecilia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 09:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Toni,
my name is Cecilia and I earned my PhD in Classica at the University of Milan. I found by chance you blog on Classical literature and I find it great!
I&#039;m particularly interested to your topic on wedding songs in the Greek Novel, because I wrote an article on the same topic! I presented it at the ICAN at Lisbon in 2008 (http://www.ican2008.ul.pt/ICAN2008_en/) and it will be now published on the proceedings... Did you publish anything else on this topic?
I&#039;ll be glad to discuss it with you...
best wishes,
cecilia]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Toni,<br />
my name is Cecilia and I earned my PhD in Classica at the University of Milan. I found by chance you blog on Classical literature and I find it great!<br />
I&#8217;m particularly interested to your topic on wedding songs in the Greek Novel, because I wrote an article on the same topic! I presented it at the ICAN at Lisbon in 2008 (<a href="http://www.ican2008.ul.pt/ICAN2008_en/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ican2008.ul.pt/ICAN2008_en/</a>) and it will be now published on the proceedings&#8230; Did you publish anything else on this topic?<br />
I&#8217;ll be glad to discuss it with you&#8230;<br />
best wishes,<br />
cecilia</p>
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		<title>Comment on Greek myth 10: Round Table by Catherine</title>
		<link>http://tonibadnall.com/2010/03/25/greek-myth-10-round-table/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Catherine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just thought I would leave a comment to say that I found this &#039;lecture&#039; very helpful. I agree with the idea of including more theory in the module - I found the social significance of myth very interesting in the wider reading that I did and would have liked there to be more of it in the course, rather than focusing mainly on different myths and why authors chose to use different versions, as it gives an idea of why myth was so important in the Greek world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I would leave a comment to say that I found this &#8216;lecture&#8217; very helpful. I agree with the idea of including more theory in the module &#8211; I found the social significance of myth very interesting in the wider reading that I did and would have liked there to be more of it in the course, rather than focusing mainly on different myths and why authors chose to use different versions, as it gives an idea of why myth was so important in the Greek world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Weddings and wedding songs in the Greek novel by wedding shot glasses</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wedding shot glasses]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Considerably, the post is really the greatest on this valuable topic. I concur with your conclusions and will eagerly look forward to your upcoming updates. Just saying thanks will not just be sufficient, for the wonderful lucidity in your writing. I will immediately grab your rss feed to stay abreast of any updates. Solid work and much success in your business dealings!]]></description>
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